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appeals process can take quite a long time. so this is something that will all be working out. another element to the judgment is as part of this ruling, the judge band trump and his two adult sons, donald trump, junior and eric trump, from being an officer director of a company in new york for a period of 2.3 years and that will go into effect as well in the big question is who will then take the reins? so the trump organization spokesman has not gotten back to me. >> well, significant developments indeed, kara scannell, appreciate it. very much in to our viewers. thanks very much for watching. the news continues next on cnn >> and straight from the source tonight, one powerful image and one clear message. president biden, embracing election see navalny's widow and morning quttain that his punishment is coming tomorrow. is navalny's mother accuses putin of blackmail over her son's body also a massive outage leaving at&t customers unable to make a receive calls for hours,
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including some emergency one's >> what happened and why also a dramatic touchdown. hold your breath moments as america lins is spacecraft on the mood for the first time in more than 50 years, we'll take you inside hi, the lunar mission >> i'm kaitlan >> collins, and this is the source tonight. alexey navalny's mother says that putin's thugs are blackmailing her after they finally took her to see her son's lifeless body in the morgue, more on that in a moment, but in the meantime, in washington, we're hearing from president biden, who says that president putin's punishment starts tomorrow. and he is sending an unmistakable pickleball image message with this embrace of navalny's widow, yulia navalnaya, and their daughter, dasha, meeting in mourning together as the president was in california today. it's an image worth 1,000 words i agree. honor. me
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with alexey navalny's wife and daughter. he was a manner incredible courage, amazing his wife and daughter are emulated. >> we're going to be >> announcing sanctions against who is responsible for for his death tomorrow >> and cnn is learning new details about what those sanctions are going to look like. we're told that they include some 500 targets in response to navalny's death. they're also meant to mark two years since putin invaded the country next door, us official say that the sanctions are aimed at russia's military bury and also a new attempt to choke off russia's ability to get the goods it wants. something that is proven to be surprisingly resilient in the last two years but none of that is likely to push putin into handing over alexey navalny's body. i should note, russia also is claiming now that he died of natural causes natural causes at age 47, a day after
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he didn't appear to be in distress when he was in court before being returned to the harshest penal colony in all of russia that putin uses to lock away and torture his opponents. and that black male that i mentioned earlier, navalny's mother says that she is being forced to agree to a secret burial burial, or else they'll do something with her son's body. and putin's probably right to be afraid of that. a funeral could bring out masses of navalny's supporters and embarrassed that notoriously thin skinned russian dictator. and then there's the evidence that may be lurking in navalny's body as well about what really killed him that brings me to my first guest tonight, exiled russian journalist mikhail zygar >> he was >> exchanging letters with alexey navalny just days before his death. he's also the author of war and punishment. putin zelenskyy and the path to russia's invasion of ukraine. when you hear what navalny's mom is going through, what she says black male that she's being told she has to agree to
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certain conditions, let of russian authority transport her son's body. i mean, what do you very predictable mean you think that's, you're not surprised by that? absolutely. >> that's >> everything we expected. actually, i expected that to happen in two weeks because once they said that they will go into neat 14 days to make all the medical checks. >> i was expecting that that that was are they scared to have a funeral? do the belief? >> yes, they they're scared of the funeral desk, scared of independent medical checks they are scared of the truth about navalny's real causes of his death. and the presidential elections are coming in several wigs and russia, it's not, it's not, it doesn't mean that, that putin is not going to be elected. he will be elected, but, but still, he everything can change within days. we would just saw a couple of weeks ago when huge lines were gathering in all russia's big series and people
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were willing to support the, the only and to work canada's so probably after navalny's death, any kind of change is possible. >> do you think will ever actually know how navalny died? >> i'm sure. i'm sure we will. >> how do you think we'll find out >> just >> because when he was poisoned in 2020, his team was able to immediately go to the hotel room where he was it's good as toothbrushes, underwear, gather things up this is different obviously >> no >> 000 friend chris grows if the investigator who led that investigation to you two years go is a very professional from investigator. i'm sorry for repeating this word. >> but i think we already have a lot of a lot of details to to analyze there were cameras with there is a possibility to track all the buildings of the mobile phones who came to the to that prison, who was who might have
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been involved. we know everything, for example, about that the factory that produces novichok, we i mean, the journalist who are investigating navalny's deaf. so i'm sure we will we'll learn the real murderers are the names of the murderous and the way how he was killed. >> and obviously his wife, yulia has vowed to find out who it was that was i'm not joking. >> and what did you make of that? the moment today, we're president biden was seen embracing her and came out after promise those sanctions. how powerful was that moment to you? >> that was important. that was important for many russians who who are suffering, suffering today. >> i saw >> a sentence on the social media to today. a caption for this photo, my president met joe biden today wrote some, some russian in exile, but that was something very important
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for most of us because we were willing to see alexey navalny to be president of russia ones. and now here, his wife is the new phase, the new hope definitely those photos and everything that's happening is an outrage for russian propaganda and for so-called patriotic media telegram channels. but that's how that's, it is what it is. >> a powerful moment indeed, miguel, thank you for joining us again, onset tonight. also, i want to turn now to the legendary journalist carl bernstein, who also exchanged messages with alexey navalny, the author of many books. but this one that we're talking about tonight, all the president's men, which navalny read while he was does in that russian prison. and carl, before we get to your correspondence with navalny, which i'm fascinated by, i just want to ask, given your coverage of us presidents and looking at them from this historical perspective, what
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you make of the split screen of seeing president biden embrace yulia and dasha and promise these sanctions which we'll see how effective they are. but, but taking that stand, while last night we're watching for and president trump compare himself to navalny through the lens of his legal troubles. >> any president in our history would have done what biden did, except donald trump. donald trump has enabled at every turn, vladimir putin, let's talk about who putin is. he is the most brutal consequential and really the great figure in terms of ending democracy in europe and attempting to end democracy in europe. that's what this is about. and only donald trump, no other pro american president would, would do what he is done and you know how unlike trump, trump's legal troubles, navalny was. i mean, he was this voracious reader, which if people don't know that while he was in that punitive
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isolation cell, essentially, he was doing a lot of solitary solitary, and he read one of your books. he posted on twitter last may saying that he was reading years and bob woodward's book and said that the atmosphere helps you immerse yourself in books because you truly have nothing to do but look at the wall and read a book. and he said we experienced everything together with the author's. i laughed with them, i argued with them. i called their sources for a couple of days. they became like relatives what happened was we were macau was it the same conference of bob woodward, myself were added in london in london last, last may and we got this surprise message from alexei navalny's saying he was reading are two books about nixon and mp each meant to final days and all the president's men and we immediately sent him back a message we wrote in a copy of all the president's men in that began this correspondence. and he then put on twitter the whole exchange, as well as the picture of the book of all, all
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the president's men. but i think that what's so significant about this horrible, horrible chain of events in story. it's also about the united states. it is about american leadership and failure of leadership to recognize vladimir putin for the threat and desperate and tyrant that he is the most consequential tyrant in europe since hitler installing, he is started a land war in europe, the first since world war ii. and one of our two political parties, the republican party, has enabled, continues to play footsie with him, has helped the russian forces in ukraine by making ammunition and other munitions shortage that we now have an american political party that is aiding aiding vladimir putin in his european designs in trying, he has destabilized europe through subversion, through interference in elections and we don't know wre it's going
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to stop, but we do know that he is also shattered. the the alliance of america and western europe in terms of us being the leader of the free world. look what happened in the cold war look at the united states in the cold war, what was the great force? the loudest of all against russian aggression? the republican party and now where is the republican party? they are enabling what putin is doing in europe and this, this terrible event is about that linkage. and putin knows it >> the other thing you said that stood out to me was that when he wrote that and you found out that he was reading your books, you and bob said that it reminded you of the freedom that you're guaranteed here in the united states. and what he was denied absolutely. >> and what we said is that carries with it a responsibility that he is a hero to us. his bravery. we
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have it easy and going with that ease, we have responsibilities that go with that. now that includes trying to look at what putin is doing in the world and who his allies our here in this country, whether they are passive or active. but the great issue in this election in many regards, ought to be fine. another republican candidate who knows what to do about the security of the west and security of europe and the alliance between the europeans and united states. but the idea of a party it has been captured by forces who support flatter him or putin. think of what that means, then we're talking about it here on the air tonight. that's the underlying story. and i would say that that's the underlying story to, among other things, and mikhail knows this as well. alexei navalny has been talking about of late. he's at, he has been absolutely stunned by what
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politicians in the united states have done to support putin's war in ukraine, to support his aggression, to support his subversion. and we need to start but looking at this momentous event of his murder and death as something that is about the united states, our political system, and not just about the courageous alexey navalny. >> he was fascinated by us politics. it's so special to have to people who corresponded with him and to have both of you here tonight. thanks. >> bob woodward, obviously, the other signatory to this, and who alexey navalny has some very interesting things to observe about both of us. you're gonna have to tell me that in the commercial break. thank you so much. but the >> view, of course, all >> of this has to do with ukraine's fight to hold russia back. it has been growing bleaker by the day lately, crucial usa still stalled in congress completely stalled. we're gonna be joined by republican lawmaker who is fighting to change that. we've
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ukraine. congressman, it's great to have you here. your first interview on cnn, since you got back when you were speaking with presidents? linskey, obviously this is one of the top of the things on his on his list of needs. were you able to offer him any assurances about getting more aid from the united states? >> kaitlan, thanks for having me. we were and we will get this done. ukraine will not fail on my watch and i speak for on behalf of many of my colleagues from both parties. president zelenskyy is an amazing human being. as you know? he is set an example for so many different leaders across the globe of the just the, the symbol of courage, willing to die for his country. and i was there as you know, i used to live in kyiv. it was my last assignment as an fbi agent very, very close to the people on the chair of the ukraine caucus for that reason. and this is a brutally tough time for a country that i love that so many of us loved that are fighting against tyranny and
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oppression. and, you know, what we're experiencing the congressional dysfunction right now, i wish congress was not moving so slow but we're getting to the point now, kaitlan, where ukraine has weeks, not months, to get resupply with the munitions that only we can supply them. our european allies are helping. there are certain things particularly artillery that only we can give them. so we have a very, very critical several week period here that we have to have to move. >> you sound more confident though, than what i've heard from a lot of your colleagues about getting that aid. i mean, what have you gotten any assurances from speaker mike johnson about your bill that you introduced it? steady. assure you that he'd bring it up for a vote >> no assurances. kaitlan other than other than it tell you that we have a very, very tight majority right now and i'm not alone you can tell the intensity and my boss of my resolve, we will find a way to get this done. ukraine will not fail under our watch. there's
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too much at stake. take care. this is not just about ukraine. this is about freedom versus dictatorships. this is about truth versus propaganda. this is an existential fight. and we've seen this fight play out throughout history. these dictators are trying to relitigate the outcome of world war ii we thought these, these images were permanently relegated to the history books are now playing out in real time. so now's the time for leaders of both parties and all members of both parties in congress to step up and get the job done. and that will require kaitlan, everybody to come to the center because there's a lot of different ways we can frame this package. but the important thing is that we get the money out the door, particularly the weapons. humanitarian aid is also critically important. don't get me wrong, but the weapons are time sensitive right now, a diva fell because of the shortage of artillery you sound you certainly have the resolve. i should say, but we also hear from other republicans who have resolved, but from a different perspective, people like marjorie taylor greene who say
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it, ukraine aid is not getting a vote on the floor. if the speaker doesn't doesn't bring it, are you going to join with democrats to force a vote on your bill >> we will find a way to get to the floor. >> mark my words your confident we are in. >> there's a two-vote margin. we all represent roughly 800,000 people. everyone gets to be a voice for their constituents the good people in my hometown of bucks and montgomery county's believe in supporting ukraine, supporting democracy, supporting freedom, opposing dictatorships. and we will reflect that voice on the floor of the house and i want a 435 kaitlan so i can't steer the ship completely on my own. but part of what i'm doing is building a coalition with my bill. the defendant borders defending democracy she's act. it is equally by partisan. it addresses border security for our own nation to stop the
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deadly flow of fentanyl that's killing our kids. and it also deals with ukraine israel, taiwan, all freedom loving democracies that have been invaded either by communist dictators or terrorists. and it borders and democracies are interlinks. they're interchangeable, they stand side-by-side. and that's the theme of our bill. and that's why it's equally bipartisan. >> yeah, $48 billion for ukraine, 10 billion for israel will see what happens when congress is back next week, congressman brian fitzpatrick has always thanks for joining us here on the source you bet. thanks. >> up next there has been a successful touchdown as we are still waiting and expect any moment to get the very first pictures of the first american spacecraft to land on the moon in more than 50 years standby for those in details on that nail-biting mission >> these are japanese scallops and the best way to eat them is brought perfect when simply cut
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winding down, a public support for lunar missions was waning. and honestly, we didn't have the technology to really stay on the moon and build habitat they should on the moon and explore the moon. we, we want it to where the technology to go there and visit for a little bit. but then we had to come back now, it's the 21st century is 50 years later. we have the technology to do it. we have a lot to learn. we have a lot to work for, but now we have the capabilities within our grasp to not just return to the moon but to stay on the moon to build bases on the moon, to have a permanent human habitation on the moon to learn what the moon has to teach us about the solar system, the history of the earth, and serve as a springboard for future space exploration. >> so this is just the beginning, as you see it, there is going to be a lot more of what we witnessed today i believe that future historians will look back at this era that we're living in right now. as the true birth of the space
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age, as a >> renaissance in space, where humanity is finally building the technology needed to maintain a presence off the planet earth. we are witnessing it right now before our very eyes say it was a bit touch it and go. there were some moments where it got pushed from 04:00 to 06:00. >> we >> couldn't call it a successful for a moment because it wasn't totally clear what it actually happened. i mean, what was going through your mind as you're watching that this what was going through my mind was this is normal >> space is >> hard spaces, the hardest environment that humans have ever encountered. we have absolutely no analog or experience of a here on the earth. anything that can go wrong will go wrong in space. and so as this mission was preceding, the brilliant, the genius, and in creative people behind this mission, we're constantly adapting, fixing, coming up with clever solutions to turn this into a successful mission. >> you know what i'm obsessed with illnesses when we went to one of the space launches went
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when donald trump is in office, the white house reporters it's went with him. and when you were down there in cape canaveral, you kinda just saw the difference of what's happened over the past few decades where it's private company, privately owned companies compared to us government funded research that is leading to this. what do you make of what that's going to look like if we are in this renaissance era. >> oh, this is tremendous, and this is amazing when we had the polo missions to get humans to the moon required a significant fraction of the federal budget, like a massive amount of money. and now we're sending smaller craft, more nimble craft were exploring, we're testing, we're involving private enterprise. we have so many more partners. this is not a space race base anymore. it's not a competition anymore it's a collaboration among countries, among organizations, but private public we're all working together to advance to a better future. >> yeah, it's really great to watch dr. paul sater. thanks for coming to explain all of it to us. non-astrophysicists
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>> you're some diego attorney general wants to come after me, >> bring it on i don't give a. do you better believe we're not going down without a fight >> the ruling has already having an impact beyond in my home state. also, it's have any impact on the 2024 campaign trail. i want to talk more about this with cnn's political commentator margaret hoover. and i just think when you look at the impact this has for people who don't know, there's already the limited ivf access in alabama. so for a third clinic to say, we're gonna have to stop doing this because they fear the legal consequences that not just the doctors, but the patients could face. i mean, that has devastating consequences for women. there. >> it really does. i mean, in some ways this elevates the conversation that one six women have serious trouble conceiving and have infertility. judge, reel it in fertility issues and these technologies that have developed have enabled millions of women become mothers. and by the way, not just women
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same-sex couples have been able to have babies because of ivf treatment. surrogacy is going to also come next on the chopping board, you better believe it if they're coming for ivf, they're coming for surrogacy treatments and same-sex couples. so this isn't going to stop kaitlan. this is just going to keep on going. and you can look at birth control role as perhaps the next place that the activists that are looking to shut down women's reproductive freedoms and women's ability to have their own families on their own terms are going to continue to be impeded, impaired politically. >> and i think that's the fear that you see brought into this and that's what people look to politicians to say. well, what's your stance on this and how do you you feel about this? nikki haley is getting a lot of those questions on the campaign trail. her her answer is kind of evolved from yesterday or two days go with this ruling first came down to what she said to jake tapper earlier today. this is that sound then and then what she said today? >> thank alabama needs to go back and look at the law. this
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is incredibly personal to me because i had both of my children with fertility. we don't want fertility treatments to shut down. we don't want them to stop doing ivf treatments. we don't want them to stop doing artificial insemination. we want to make sure that people are able to have these blessings. but i think this is again needs to be decided on the people in every state so she's saying to leave it up to the >> states, but don't stop the ivf treatments. but it has not banned in alabama. they're just scared of what the legal consequences are that's right. and she also look, there's the debate and the question you're going to start to see play out on the right. kaitlan is is a, an embryo, a life, right? i mean, that's, that was the question that this the alabama state supreme court decided upon. and you're going to have to start seeing republican lawmakers and frankly, all lawmakers answering this question is, is it an implanted embryo that actually creates life? is that the beginning of life or is it 17 frozen embryos
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that my friend down the street or my friend in colorado has frozen in a freezer these are and is hoping for the right time to come along that she can become a mother. these are real people, these are real consequences. you better believe this is going to amplify how women are going to show up at the polls in 2024. >> that's interesting because we also spoke to a governor brian kemp about this other day he had initially said yes, that he would. he said it in passing? saying to someone who else him about it last year, i asked him after the ruling came down now that it's a real thing, and this is what he said >> these are very difficult issues for people i think when you're i mean, what i've always told people is worse, state that values life and we value it in different ways. and when you look at roe v wade and heartbeat legislation, lot of things. i mean, people have very different opinions on that, but there's so many things and i think the discussion that we need to be having is how do we work together on the value of protecting life?
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>> fertility treatments, this i mean, it's, it's shocking because fertility treatments have not been only made available to democrats. david made available to people across this country regardless of whether they vote republican or they vote democrat. i think what you see there in many of these republican leaders is there is no stock answer on how republicans should respond to this i mean, sure, we know republicans have been for overturning roe v. wade for federalizing it for the states deciding, but they don't know. there's no strong answer or unified answer on how to handle this. and by the way, there shouldn't be because it shouldn't be political. >> margaret hoover, great to have you here to talk about this. and what this alabama ruling drawing national attention clearly, the person who's behind that decision, alabama chief justice tom parker, is also coming under scrutiny tonight. people are paying close attention to what he has been saying, not just about this, but also this interview that he did just in the last week where justice parker said that he was a believer of these seven mountain mandate. it's this popular movement urging christians to completely conquer the quote seven mountains of american life
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including education, media, and the us government. listen to him, talk about it for yourself. >> god created government. and the fact that we have let it go into the possession of others it's heartbreaking for those of us who understand. and we know it is for him and that's why he is calling and equipping people to step back into these mountains right now, i'm very aware that he's is equipping me was something for the specific situation that i'm facing. >> there you go. >> i don't have to struggle trying to find my way through it. >> true to form for those who are familiar with his career, chief justice parker did not shy away from invoking his
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faith in this controversial decision at one point, and the ruling he wrote that human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed what incur it without incurring the wrath of a holy god. i should note that he was an aide and ally of the fellow christian theocrats and former alabama supreme court chief justice roy moore. of course, the man who beat roy moore in that alabama special election, not too long ago for the us senate is also here to weigh in on this tonight. former alabama senator doug jones and centered it's great to have you because you'll obviously what we can hear and read and this is that he wasn't just relying on the constitution and i'll legal precedent to explain this decision he's citing religious doctrine and the book of genesis. i wonder where is the line drawn between wall and theocracy? >> well, kaitlan, obviously with chief justice parker, there is no line oh, i was listening to governor haley shan, alabama audit. just get back to the law, will help parker doesn't worry about the law. all he worried about is his christian philosophy and
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that's nothing new by the way, for those people people who are shocked at this across the country, this has been his mantra for years. he has been in public service for a long time. as you said, he's an ally of judge roy moore. and so this is nothing new and it's really what's really sad about this. kaitlan is not just all of the thousands of families that it might be affected by this that ultimately could be affected across the country, but our business communities just not going to step up again. they didn't step up on the abortion bill. they didn't step up on the immigration bill. they're too afraid to speak out. our uav health system has got one of the finest health systems in the country, particularly their people pediatrics, ob-gyn, who the hell is going to want to come to alabama after this ruling who, how are they going to attract doctors? so this goes way beyond just even the individual families that are going be affected in the women of the state it goes to businesses and who we are as a
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state yeah. >> i mean, we've already seen some of them saying they're hesitant to either moved to alabama are questions about about leaving. i want to get your take on what we heard from the alabama senator tommy tuberville, who was asked directly about this ruling and gave to me a bit of a confusing answer earlier. this is what he told reporters you have a reaction to the alabama supreme court ruling on the fact that embryos are children? >> yeah, it's all for we need to have more kids. we need the opportunity to do that and i thought this was the right thing to do, but idf is used to have more children. and right now, ivf services are posit some of the clinics and alabama aren't you concerned that this good impact people who are trying to have kids? >> well, that's, that's for another conversation. people who need to have that, we need more kids, we need to people to have the opportunity do you have kids? >> women right now and alabama who no longer have access as a result of saying, well that's a
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hard one? it really is a really hard. because again, you won't people have that opportunity and sy was telling her, we need more kids with all due respect >> what >> kaitlan look he had no idea what that reporter was asking, not just that answer was so similar, it's like deja vu all over again for folks around here, he had an almost identical answer in 2020 when he was running for the senate when asked if he would support an extension of the voting rights act, had no idea what it was in stammered around and stuttered around and was incoherent when trying to answer. he had no idea what that reporter was talking about. he may have thought it was introduced venus or something with gatorade. i don't know, but he clearly had no idea. and that's just who he is. he didn't know the three branches of government. he doesn't own your show. had to you had to argue with them
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about white nationalists being a racist. so this is what we've come to in this state, and it's a sad state of affairs when the republican leaders in this state, that's the face of the republican party in alabama >> former senator doug jones. major implications, thanks for joining tonight. >> thank you. kaitlan. >> also, there is total communication chaos. speaking of not being able to articulate things tend to thousands of people could not make phone calls today. maybe you, one of them who woke up to a phone that didn't work just sos on your screen? for hours. if you're wondering what happened, you are certainly not alone will be back with some attempted explanation bob i cough nato chest congestion. >> hello, 12 hours of relief. >> wow, bowers mucinex, dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion in any cough day or night mucinex dm. its combat season, now trying to use the next instance suits or probe medicated drops. >> only a band guard. your more than just an investor. you're
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distribution. >> color scan, the qr code. now back on that breaking news tonight as donald trump's legal team has just filed a motion several actually, to >> dismiss his classified documents case, the federal case, of course happening in florida, citing in part that he has presidential immunity and that they believe the special counsel, jack smith, was unlawfully appointed to that position. cnn's legal analyst, elie honig, has just hopped on the phone with us as we are reading through this filing elie, obviously, we just have a minute here before before the show ends, but i'm looking through this and it looks like a lot of the same arguments that we've seen trump make to dismiss his election interference case in washington saying in part that this was related to the outer perimeter, the official duties of the job as president and therefore, he should be immune from prosecution here yeah kaitlan. >> so this one's got next to no chance of succeeding donald trump is raising that familiar immunity argument. you say, well, this relates to my job as
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president. now, if you remember the indictment, this is the mar-a-lago classified documents. indictment. this all relates to his time >> after he left the presidency. in fact, according to prosecutors, it didn't even be coma crime until january 20 when he left office. and so how could immunity possibly relate to a time when he wasn't president donald trump's answer in this brief as well, the decision to take these documents was made while i was president. it is an incredible long. it's even more of a longshot than. the immunity argument that he's currently making. in the other january 6. so >> as part of well, it's a standard motion that people make. defendants do make motions at this point in the process, but this one has so little merit that i think it can be fairly written off as an effort to delay elie honig. >> good to know that. good to see this. we'll see what the judge decides here. of course, thanks for hopping on the phone with us for this breaking news. and you all so much for joining us, cnn newsnight with abby phillip will continue with the breaking news ahead.

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